[DISIG-cabal] Fwd: [codecraft-dunedin] Issues with Meetup and Matt Kraemer

[Brendan Murray]

Well, commenting would be bad. But aren't teacup tornadoes exciting?

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 3:49 PM Jim Cheetham via Dunedin-ISIG-cabal <
dunedin-isig-cabal at lists.ourshack.com> wrote:

> Odd goings on in Dunedin ... presented without comment, but you've
> probably already seen this ...
>
> --
>   Jim Cheetham
>   jim at cheetham.nz
>
>
>
> ----- Original message -----
> From: Tim Penhey <tim at penhey.net>
> To: matt at kraemer.co.nz, codecraft-dunedin at googlegroups.com
> Cc: matt at coderight.nz
> Subject: [codecraft-dunedin] Issues with Meetup and Matt Kraemer
> Date: Tuesday, 25 August 2020 9:37 PM
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Back at the end of last year George Sealy had organised to get his company
> Blue Jeans to sponsor Code Craft. This sponsorship was paying the
> membership dues for meetup.
>
> I felt uncomfortable about asking George to just trust me with some credit
> card details to enter, and meetup aint great about having someone other
> than the primary organiser pay the dues. I tried to pass the ownership to
> George, but before he accepted it, my time as organiser lapsed and that led
> to the email dump that went out to the group saying I had stepped down.
> Some of you reached out at the time asking about it, and I responded that
> we were trying to pass ownership over (
> https://groups.google.com/g/codecraft-dunedin/c/Jsr-czsQmAM).
>
> Unfortunately, as it turns out, due to meetup's wonderful rules, I was
> removed as organiser (because of lack of payment) before George was able to
> take ownership and set up the new payment. However since the emails
> stopped, I thought nothing of it.
>
> Fast forward to recently, Rachel and I noticed that the head organiser of
> the code craft meetup group was now Matt Kraemer, and he had updated the
> notes to say that his company was sponsoring code craft. We reached out
> asking to have the ownership transferred, but he declined, and what's more,
> after that engagement he removed all other co-organisers, Thomi, Chris,
> Bob, George, and others, from the meetup.
>
> No one apart from Matt can now organise a meetup. No one can start a
> discussion with the group. There are only 190 odd folk on the google group,
> and over 570 on the meetup. Most of those people aren't going to see this
> message.
>
> I'm asking for Matt to pass ownership over to George Sealy as was
> initially intended. If this doesn't happen, we'll be looking for some
> different organisation tool.
>
> I think it is also worthwhile taking this time to think about what we want
> out of code craft as a group. What sort of talks are most interesting? What
> really engages people?
>
> As a side note, we have been asked not to use the Polytech rooms while we
> are at alert level 2 with covid. Although there is currently no way for us
> to create any event for September anyway.
>
> Tim
>
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