[chbot] Recommendations for fibre in CHCH

Thu Mar 4 20:36:41 GMT 2021

I've just got Spark.

I live in a normal residential house and they pretty much forced us onto
fibre due to pulling copper services.

I can't say I miss copper. We hardly ever use the phone but it is there.

I don't know what speed it is, but it serves all our business &
entertainment needs and I tend to shovel quite a lot of data & code around.

As others have noted, speed of the last mile does not guarantee you won't
get bottlenecked somewhere else.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 9:23 AM Mark Atherton <markaren1 at xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> Thanks Charles.
>
> Who is your ISP, are you happy with them, roughly how expensive, what
> service speeds ?
>
> -Mark
>
> On 5/03/2021 8:32 AM, Charles Manning wrote:
> > Mark
> >
> > It is quite common for the installers to have to do something different.
> > The people setting up the job don't necessarily fully think through
> > where the conduit needs to go. My installation ended up being a bit
> > different, with some extra above-ground conduit I was not expecting, but
> > it was neat enough.
> >
> > Unlike with ADSL, you will not get a dial tone in a power outage.  There
> > is no ring voltage over fibre because it is non-conductive. That has to
> > be recreated in-house by the fibre modem thingy (I assure you that is
> > the correct technical term :-)). If that is not getting power then no
> > dial tone. If you have a UPS then you should be good.
> >
> > -- Charles
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 11:35 PM Helmut Walle <helmut.walle at gmail.com
> > <mailto:helmut.walle at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Hi Mark,
> >
> >     "low-cost, high performance [... decent] customer support" - pick
> >     any two...
> >
> >     I've got MyRepublic 200/100 fibre unlimited for $75 / month and
> >     haven't seen any effectively
> >     cheaper services here. The fibre installer installed as surveyed,
> >     but it was only 10m or so
> >     along the fence, then buried for about 1m from the fence to the
> >     house - easy job. But they
> >     should commit to doing it either at no extra cost, or tell you that
> >     you will have to pay, before
> >     the installer turns up. Best to confirm in advance, though...
> >
> >     Trouble so far: I am getting VoiP telephony from a 3rd party.
> >     Somehow it always lost audio one
> >     way every 14-15 minutes, and depending on when the call started it
> >     could happen anytime from
> >     connecting to 14-15 minutes in, but when reconnecting immediately it
> >     lasted for 14-15 minutes
> >     until it next happened. I was suspecting that maybe some aspect of
> >     CGNAT was upsetting the SIP
> >     stuff, which admittedly is a bit of a hack... But MyRepublic were
> >     initially finger-pointing at
> >     3rd party. I ran some experiments with 3rd party over other TCP/IP
> >     networks, and none of the
> >     alternatives showed that same problem at all. After some more
> >     technical discussion with their
> >     support team they upgraded the firmware on the Technicolor router
> >     that they had supplied when I
> >     got the fibre install, and that fixed it. So that was a bit of a
> >     mission. Now why am I not
> >     simply taking VoiP from the fibre ISP? Well, I call quite a few
> >     people who still only have
> >     copper phone lines in Europe, and the calling rates from MyRepublic
> >     for my use are a rip-off...
> >
> >     But the fibre performance really is the 200/100 - it really lets you
> >     see pretty clearly where
> >     the bottlenecks in trunk connections are, or if a server can't
> >     handle the speed. For example, I
> >     had to sync a 6 GB file to OneDrive for work today, and that
> >     uploaded at slightly over the 100
> >     Mbaud for most of the time and was done very quickly (to a MS server
> >     physically close to us),
> >     but when I was downloading content from my private OneDrive account
> >     over the past several days,
> >     I never got significantly over 20 Mbps per concurrent file download
> >     (so several files at the
> >     same time went at about 20 Mbps each), and that may well have been
> >     from an overseas MS server.
> >
> >     YMMV...
> >
> >     And you already mentioned that you will be avoiding fixed wireless
> >     at all costs...
> >
> >     Kind regards,
> >
> >     Helmut.
> >
> >     --
> >     +------------------------+
> >     | Helmut Walle           |
> >     | Helmut.Walle at gmail.com <mailto:Helmut.Walle at gmail.com> |
> >     | +64-21-446 137         |
> >     +------------------------+
> >
> >     On 04/03/2021 21:45, Mark Atherton wrote:
> >      > Hi All,
> >      >
> >      > Probably time to drop copper :) We are very close to out local
> >     kerb-side box, and even ADSL2+
> >      > has served us very well so far.
> >      >
> >      > Any reconsiderations for a low-cost, high performance
> >     Internet-fibre supplier ?
> >      >
> >      > Expect descent customer support, unlimited high rate (I have seen
> >     800Mb+ offered), probably
> >      > bundled with existing landline). 30Mb fibre is no better than we
> >     currently have, and isn't worth
> >      > the trouble.
> >      >
> >      > Spark have been pestering me to move to wireless, that got me
> >     very excited (in a bad way).
> >      >
> >      > Two issues:
> >      >
> >      > - We need a specific fibre run. I have heard horror stories where
> >     contractors come out to do a
> >      > survey, then the installer does the job the way he feels fit,
> >     rather than the way the survey-guy
> >      > agreed to.
> >      >
> >      > - Maintain dial-tone in event of power loss. Assume a small UPS
> >     is available; but it does
> >      > obviously required the kerb-side box remains powered (assuming it
> >     does an active remux from the
> >      > Central Office).
> >      >
> >      > Good experiences, and bad experiences please.
> >      >
> >      > Thanks,
> >      >
> >      > Mark
> >      >
> >      >
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