[chbot] Mailing list operation was: Test message.

[Mark Beckett]

Agreed
Simply delete the message and move on.

Personally I've read more c*** in some posts than this test message 
generated.

Mark

Mark Atherton wrote:
> Just been thinking about this a bit more...
>
> I believe that one of the objectives of the group is to encourage 
> growth and part of this involves communication.
>
> Allowing a free flow of ideas using whatever-words-come-to-mind is 
> much more likely to encourage discussion than if rigid naming and 
> rules for presentation were enforced.
>
> In my opinion, it is perfectly acceptable to say that as an 
> individual, you have specific preferences, but attempting to enforce 
> you own rules upon others is not acceptable.
>
> -mark
>
> ============
>
> Mike,
>
> Thank you.
>
> Yet again: A polite, and common-sense observation.
>
> -mark
>
> At 01:20 p.m. 19/11/2014, you wrote:
>> Once again, I am far more pragmatic. I can't enforce my will on 
>> others to do what they do or don't want to do, no matter how well 
>> reasoned or logical my argument may be. I have to accept that once in 
>> a while somebody might want to test that they can still receive email 
>> from the list. I can ask them not to do so, but it isn't worth 
>> fighting to the death (of either them or the quality of the emails in 
>> the list).
>>
>> I am however in control of things my own little universe. Here is my 
>> resolution to the problem of test emails:
>>
>> 1. I consider if the amount of drivel I end up wasting time reading 
>> is enough to make me blacklist any of the senders as them being a 
>> person I just don't want to hear from again, as they never add 
>> anything of value without it being wrapped up in a ton of crap.
>>
>> 2. I consider adding a rule that if the Subject is "Test" or contains 
>> the phrase "Mailing list operation was: Test message" then send the 
>> message to my junk email folder, with the bonus that it will work 
>> over all my email lists.
>>
>> In this case I chose the later. Problem solved for me. I can move on. 
>> May I suggest everybody else who takes offence at test messages does 
>> too?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> PS. Can we all be sure not to change the subject line for this 
>> conversation? It might break my mail filter and I might end up 
>> wasting time reading emails I don't want to receive :-)
>>
>> On 18.11.2014 19:33, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue 18 Nov 2014 07:42:45 NZDT +1300, Richard Jones wrote:
>>>> Are you arguing against test driven development?
>>>
>>>
>>> Mailing list membership is not development.
>>> "Test-driven" implies probing unknown territory, doing it for areas you
>>> can just read up in the manual leaves the approach looking not so 
>>> smart.
>>>> Or re-observing that hindsight is an exact science?
>>>
>>>
>>> No. It is knowledge accumulated in 20+ years of active mailing list
>>> membership, and I'm happy to share. I'm a bit annoyed it has got lost,
>>> it is the age of SMS (attention span limit: 160 characters) and
>>> Faceplant(TM) (just click-me, no knowledge required, and the 
>>> advertising
>>> and surveillance industries love the ignorant).
>>>> Maybe it is time to formulate some rules / guidelines regarding 
>>>> posts to our email reflector?
>>>
>>>
>>> I personally wouldn't think that to be worthwhile. Many mailing 
>>> lists do
>>> have one but they all tend to be very similar, and often
>>> self-explanatory. Just link to a few :-) They all say "no test messages
>>> to test your own email" though. Questions are encouraged, asking before
>>> RTFM just because it's lazier is not.
>>>> I'm quite happy to receive and respond to the odd test message if 
>>>> someone has a problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> Asking about problems is what the lists are for. My point was that test
>>> messages are never necessary, and I used it as an opportunity to point
>>> out "how things work".
>>>
>>> Mark, nice link, but on the Internet you can always find someone
>>> supporting your position. That person doesn't look old enough to have
>>> grown up with it. And it's called "mailman" the "mailing list manager"
>>> (read the footer again) because it's a reflector, right? A mirror would
>>> be a reflector, a mailing list manager would perhaps be a
>>> duplicator/auto-forwarder. It would be a reflector if you got your own
>>> posting back, which, as noted, isn't default setting.
>>>
>>> Now I'll go back to project work... ;-)
>>>
>>> Volker
>>
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