[chbot] Chchrobotics Digest, Vol 22, Issue 8

jimmy allen jimmy1248 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 7 07:20:10 BST 2009 

On 7/7/09, jimmy allen <jimmy1248 at gmail.com> wrote:
> could you use a USB to serial converter like a prop plug?
>
> On 7/7/09, Charles Manning <cdhmanning at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm a bit confused as to what the Prop Plug is doing.
>> Is it just being used as TTL leve serial to USB adapter (ie replacing
>> RS232 drivers + USB to RS232 adapter) or is it being used as a ISP
>> programmer?
>>
>> Assuming for a moment that you're using it as a serial to USB adapter,
>> there does seem to be a slight issue. The prop plug reset is open
>> collector and the sanguino reset line is driven through a capacitor.
>> That would indicate that the sanguino needs to have an active driver
>> (since the capacitor defeats an OC driver).. You can probably achieve
>> this by putting a 1K resistor between 5V and the prop plug reset line.
>>
>> When you say "not working" what do you mean? There are a few things
>> that need to be right: resets, signal driving, baud rate,...
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Gary T<grogyan at woosh.co.nz> wrote:
>>> Well i've done open heart surgery on the Prop Plug, and with the
>>> switch now attached, is selectable between,
>>> Programming BasicX and ZBasic
>>> Programming Basic Stamp and Arduino(s) in default mode
>>>
>>> My BasicX programs ok, still no luck with the Sanguino
>>>
>>> The adapter cable i've made is
>>> Sanguino                Prop Plug
>>> Gnd             ->      Gnd
>>> N/C
>>> N/C
>>> Tx              ->      Tx
>>> Rx              ->      Rx
>>> !Reset          ->      !Reset
>>>
>>> Any other  ideas, please?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gary T
>>>
>>>
>>>>Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>>    1. Re: Parallax Prop Plug (jimmy allen)
>>>>    2. Re: Parallax Prop Plug (jimmy allen)
>>>>    3. Re: Parallax Prop Plug (Paul Davey)
>>>>    4. Re: Chchrobotics Digest, Vol 22, Issue 7 (Gary T)
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>Message: 1
>>>>Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:05:08 +1200
>>>>From: jimmy allen <jimmy1248 at gmail.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [chbot] Parallax Prop Plug
>>>>To: Christchurch Robotics <chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz>
>>>>Message-ID:
>>>>         <50e4abd00907041705y29f11631q82c70c16a043b921 at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>
>>>>You could build a converter.I have a schematic and you would probably
>>>>be able to construct it for less than $20.
>>>>
>>>>On 7/4/09, Richard Jones <rjtp at ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>>>> > Hi Gary,
>>>> >
>>>> > I found a schematic for the Sanguino here:
>>>> > http://sanguino.cc/1-0kitassembly
>>>> >
>>>> > Your modified prop plug will need a pin out adaptor to work with the
>>>> > Sanguino as the pin out is a little different, otherwise it looks
>>>> > like
>>>> > it
>>>> > will be fine.
>>>> >
>>>> > Richard
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:48:18 +1200, Gary T <grogyan at woosh.co.nz>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >> Hello,
>>>> >> I'm looking for some help on a small problem, i've got a Propeller
>>>> >> Prop Plug from Parallax, modded to enable programming with a
>>>> >> BasicX24, but i'm beginning to work with the Arduino boards.
>>>> >> The board I have doesn't natively support USB and requires a USB to
>>>> >> TTL converter, rather than me buying another converter, would anyone
>>>> >> know if a modded Prop Plug will work alright with it?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The board I have is a Sanguino.
>>>> >> The mod in question involved removing a capacitor and putting in a
>>>> >> 150R resistor
>>>> >> http://www.zbasic.net/forum/attachments/files/dscn4391a_616.jpg
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Parallax Prop plug
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> http://www.parallax.com/Store/Microcontrollers/PropellerTools/tabid/143/ProductID/398/List/0/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Gary T
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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>>>>Message: 2
>>>>Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:44:29 +1200
>>>>From: jimmy allen <jimmy1248 at gmail.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [chbot] Parallax Prop Plug
>>>>To: Christchurch Robotics <chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz>
>>>>Message-ID:
>>>>         <50e4abd00907042144s86690efx820e5773ff65f79f at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>
>>>>i have been reading through the propeller tutorials and noticed that
>>>>it said that the prop plug is a USB - serial converter so could you
>>>>program it via serial?
>>>>
>>>>On 7/5/09, jimmy allen <jimmy1248 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > You could build a converter.I have a schematic and you would probably
>>>> > be able to construct it for less than $20.
>>>> >
>>>> > On 7/4/09, Richard Jones <rjtp at ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>>>> >> Hi Gary,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I found a schematic for the Sanguino here:
>>>> >> http://sanguino.cc/1-0kitassembly
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Your modified prop plug will need a pin out adaptor to work with the
>>>> >> Sanguino as the pin out is a little different, otherwise it looks
>>>> >> like
>>>> >> it
>>>> >> will be fine.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Richard
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:48:18 +1200, Gary T <grogyan at woosh.co.nz>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>> Hello,
>>>> >>> I'm looking for some help on a small problem, i've got a Propeller
>>>> >>> Prop Plug from Parallax, modded to enable programming with a
>>>> >>> BasicX24, but i'm beginning to work with the Arduino boards.
>>>> >>> The board I have doesn't natively support USB and requires a USB to
>>>> >>> TTL converter, rather than me buying another converter, would
>>>> >>> anyone
>>>> >>> know if a modded Prop Plug will work alright with it?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The board I have is a Sanguino.
>>>> >>> The mod in question involved removing a capacitor and putting in a
>>>> >>> 150R resistor
>>>> >>> http://www.zbasic.net/forum/attachments/files/dscn4391a_616.jpg
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Parallax Prop plug
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> http://www.parallax.com/Store/Microcontrollers/PropellerTools/tabid/143/ProductID/398/List/0/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Thanks
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Gary T
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
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>>>>
>>>>Message: 3
>>>>Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:49:46 +1200
>>>>From: Paul Davey <plmdvy at gmail.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [chbot] Parallax Prop Plug
>>>>To: Christchurch Robotics <chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz>
>>>>Message-ID:
>>>>         <9430ad070907042149u2abf1989maaed3946118864a5 at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>
>>>>should be a 3.3v serial with DTR "not"ed to the reset line so that the
>>>>PC can trigger a reset.
>>>>
>>>>should be able to use a standard serial port with a level converter yes?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>Message: 4
>>>>Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:16:05 +1200
>>>>From: Gary T <grogyan at woosh.co.nz>
>>>>Subject: Re: [chbot] Chchrobotics Digest, Vol 22, Issue 7
>>>>To: chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz
>>>>Message-ID: <E1MNOla-0002rT-H6 at mx9.orcon.net.nz>
>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>>Cheers Richard,
>>>>I removed the mod and put a 10nF back in (through hole).
>>>>I was unable to program the Sanguino, after many tries of various ways.
>>>>
>>>>Unfortunately my biggest fear was realized with doing a second mod,
>>>>and I had knocked the device in a way that broke off the 10nF cap,
>>>>and the pad as well.
>>>>
>>>>Looks like i'll be buying a new Prop Plug from Parallax so that I can
>>>>still use my BX24, and hopefully I can mod it (once) in a way that
>>>>allows me to do both Sanguino and BasicX24 micro controllers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for letting me know that it does work with Arduino
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Gary T
>>>>
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>>>> >Today's Topics:
>>>> >
>>>> >    1. Parallax Prop Plug (Gary T)
>>>> >    2. Re: Parallax Prop Plug (Richard Jones)
>>>> >    3. Re: Parallax Prop Plug (Richard Jones)
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>> >
>>>> >Message: 1
>>>> >Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:48:18 +1200
>>>> >From: Gary T <grogyan at woosh.co.nz>
>>>> >Subject: [chbot] Parallax Prop Plug
>>>> >To: chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz
>>>> >Message-ID: <E1MMqcX-00014p-PH at mx5.orcon.net.nz>
>>>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>>> >
>>>> >Hello,
>>>> >I'm looking for some help on a small problem, i've got a Propeller
>>>> >Prop Plug from Parallax, modded to enable programming with a
>>>> >BasicX24, but i'm beginning to work with the Arduino boards.
>>>> >The board I have doesn't natively support USB and requires a USB to
>>>> >TTL converter, rather than me buying another converter, would anyone
>>>> >know if a modded Prop Plug will work alright with it?
>>>> >
>>>> >The board I have is a Sanguino.
>>>> >The mod in question involved removing a capacitor and putting in a
>>>> >150R resistor
>>>> >http://www.zbasic.net/forum/attachments/files/dscn4391a_616.jpg
>>>> >
>>>> >Parallax Prop plug
>>>> >http://www.parallax.com/Store/Microcontrollers/PropellerTools/tabid
>>>> /143/ProductID/398/List/0/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName
>>>> >
>>>> >Thanks
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Gary T
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >------------------------------
>>>> >
>>>> >Message: 2
>>>> >Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:35:54 +1200
>>>> >From: Richard Jones <rjtp at ihug.co.nz>
>>>> >Subject: Re: [chbot] Parallax Prop Plug
>>>> >To: Christchurch Robotics <chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz>
>>>> >Message-ID: <8ccadc6df3ba75707e86c34ed335190c at vodafone.co.nz>
>>>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>> >
>>>> >I don't exactly know the answer to your question, I use the prop plug
>>>> > for
>>>> >programming my ATMega8.
>>>> >The mod you show involves the reset line. I made a pin out adaptor
>>>> > that
>>>> > I
>>>> >use between the mega8 and the prop plug that leaves the reset line
>>>> >disconnected, connecting 0v and tx/rx data at 5v ttl levels. So I
>>>> > guess
>>>> > it
>>>> >depends what the reset line is used for in your setup. My suspicion is
>>>> > that
>>>> >you would be better off with the unmodified prop plug, or leaving the
>>>> > reset
>>>> >disconnected so that your target will not be permanently reset by 0v
>>>> > on
>>>> > the
>>>> >reset line coming from the prop plug.
>>>> >
>>>> >Cheers
>>>> >
>>>> >Richard.
>>>> >
>>>> >On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:48:18 +1200, Gary T <grogyan at woosh.co.nz>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> > > Hello,
>>>> > > I'm looking for some help on a small problem, i've got a Propeller
>>>> > > Prop Plug from Parallax, modded to enable programming with a
>>>> > > BasicX24, but i'm beginning to work with the Arduino boards.
>>>> > > The board I have doesn't natively support USB and requires a USB to
>>>> > > TTL converter, rather than me buying another converter, would
>>>> > > anyone
>>>> > > know if a modded Prop Plug will work alright with it?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > The board I have is a Sanguino.
>>>> > > The mod in question involved removing a capacitor and putting in a
>>>> > > 150R resistor
>>>> > > http://www.zbasic.net/forum/attachments/files/dscn4391a_616.jpg
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Parallax Prop plug
>>>> > >
>>>> >http://www.parallax.com/Store/Microcontrollers/PropellerTools/tabid
>>>> /143/ProductID/398/List/0/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Thanks
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Gary T
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > _______________________________________________
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>>>> > > http://lists.ourshack.com/mailman/listinfo/chchrobotics
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>>>> >
>>>> >Message: 3
>>>> >Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:38:17 +1200
>>>> >From: Richard Jones <rjtp at ihug.co.nz>
>>>> >Subject: Re: [chbot] Parallax Prop Plug
>>>> >To: Christchurch Robotics <chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz>
>>>> >Message-ID: <a246079a16ad177baabb4f9413dc61bc at vodafone.co.nz>
>>>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>> >
>>>> >Hi Gary,
>>>> >
>>>> >I found a schematic for the Sanguino here:
>>>> >http://sanguino.cc/1-0kitassembly
>>>> >
>>>> >Your modified prop plug will need a pin out adaptor to work with the
>>>> >Sanguino as the pin out is a little different, otherwise it looks like
>>>> > it
>>>> >will be fine.
>>>> >
>>>> >Richard
>>>> >
>>>> >On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:48:18 +1200, Gary T <grogyan at woosh.co.nz>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> > > Hello,
>>>> > > I'm looking for some help on a small problem, i've got a Propeller
>>>> > > Prop Plug from Parallax, modded to enable programming with a
>>>> > > BasicX24, but i'm beginning to work with the Arduino boards.
>>>> > > The board I have doesn't natively support USB and requires a USB to
>>>> > > TTL converter, rather than me buying another converter, would
>>>> > > anyone
>>>> > > know if a modded Prop Plug will work alright with it?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > The board I have is a Sanguino.
>>>> > > The mod in question involved removing a capacitor and putting in a
>>>> > > 150R resistor
>>>> > > http://www.zbasic.net/forum/attachments/files/dscn4391a_616.jpg
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Parallax Prop plug
>>>> > >
>>>> >http://www.parallax.com/Store/Microcontrollers/PropellerTools/tabid
>>>> /143/ProductID/398/List/0/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Thanks
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Gary T
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > _______________________________________________
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