[chbot] Chchrobotics Digest, Vol 22, Issue 8

jimmy allen jimmy1248 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 7 07:18:34 BST 2009 

could you use a USB to serial converter like a prop plug?

On 7/7/09, Charles Manning <cdhmanning at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm a bit confused as to what the Prop Plug is doing.
> Is it just being used as TTL leve serial to USB adapter (ie replacing
> RS232 drivers + USB to RS232 adapter) or is it being used as a ISP
> programmer?
>
> Assuming for a moment that you're using it as a serial to USB adapter,
> there does seem to be a slight issue. The prop plug reset is open
> collector and the sanguino reset line is driven through a capacitor.
> That would indicate that the sanguino needs to have an active driver
> (since the capacitor defeats an OC driver).. You can probably achieve
> this by putting a 1K resistor between 5V and the prop plug reset line.
>
> When you say "not working" what do you mean? There are a few things
> that need to be right: resets, signal driving, baud rate,...
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Gary T<grogyan at woosh.co.nz> wrote:
>> Well i've done open heart surgery on the Prop Plug, and with the
>> switch now attached, is selectable between,
>> Programming BasicX and ZBasic
>> Programming Basic Stamp and Arduino(s) in default mode
>>
>> My BasicX programs ok, still no luck with the Sanguino
>>
>> The adapter cable i've made is
>> Sanguino                Prop Plug
>> Gnd             ->      Gnd
>> N/C
>> N/C
>> Tx              ->      Tx
>> Rx              ->      Rx
>> !Reset          ->      !Reset
>>
>> Any other  ideas, please?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>> Gary T
>>
>>
>>>Today's Topics:
>>>
>>>    1. Re: Parallax Prop Plug (jimmy allen)
>>>    2. Re: Parallax Prop Plug (jimmy allen)
>>>    3. Re: Parallax Prop Plug (Paul Davey)
>>>    4. Re: Chchrobotics Digest, Vol 22, Issue 7 (Gary T)
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>Message: 1
>>>Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:05:08 +1200
>>>From: jimmy allen <jimmy1248 at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [chbot] Parallax Prop Plug
>>>To: Christchurch Robotics <chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz>
>>>Message-ID:
>>>         <50e4abd00907041705y29f11631q82c70c16a043b921 at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>
>>>You could build a converter.I have a schematic and you would probably
>>>be able to construct it for less than $20.
>>>
>>>On 7/4/09, Richard Jones <rjtp at ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>>> > Hi Gary,
>>> >
>>> > I found a schematic for the Sanguino here:
>>> > http://sanguino.cc/1-0kitassembly
>>> >
>>> > Your modified prop plug will need a pin out adaptor to work with the
>>> > Sanguino as the pin out is a little different, otherwise it looks like
>>> > it
>>> > will be fine.
>>> >
>>> > Richard
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:48:18 +1200, Gary T <grogyan at woosh.co.nz> wrote:
>>> >> Hello,
>>> >> I'm looking for some help on a small problem, i've got a Propeller
>>> >> Prop Plug from Parallax, modded to enable programming with a
>>> >> BasicX24, but i'm beginning to work with the Arduino boards.
>>> >> The board I have doesn't natively support USB and requires a USB to
>>> >> TTL converter, rather than me buying another converter, would anyone
>>> >> know if a modded Prop Plug will work alright with it?
>>> >>
>>> >> The board I have is a Sanguino.
>>> >> The mod in question involved removing a capacitor and putting in a
>>> >> 150R resistor
>>> >> http://www.zbasic.net/forum/attachments/files/dscn4391a_616.jpg
>>> >>
>>> >> Parallax Prop plug
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> http://www.parallax.com/Store/Microcontrollers/PropellerTools/tabid/143/ProductID/398/List/0/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Gary T
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>>Message: 2
>>>Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:44:29 +1200
>>>From: jimmy allen <jimmy1248 at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [chbot] Parallax Prop Plug
>>>To: Christchurch Robotics <chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz>
>>>Message-ID:
>>>         <50e4abd00907042144s86690efx820e5773ff65f79f at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>i have been reading through the propeller tutorials and noticed that
>>>it said that the prop plug is a USB - serial converter so could you
>>>program it via serial?
>>>
>>>On 7/5/09, jimmy allen <jimmy1248 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > You could build a converter.I have a schematic and you would probably
>>> > be able to construct it for less than $20.
>>> >
>>> > On 7/4/09, Richard Jones <rjtp at ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>>> >> Hi Gary,
>>> >>
>>> >> I found a schematic for the Sanguino here:
>>> >> http://sanguino.cc/1-0kitassembly
>>> >>
>>> >> Your modified prop plug will need a pin out adaptor to work with the
>>> >> Sanguino as the pin out is a little different, otherwise it looks like
>>> >> it
>>> >> will be fine.
>>> >>
>>> >> Richard
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:48:18 +1200, Gary T <grogyan at woosh.co.nz>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>> Hello,
>>> >>> I'm looking for some help on a small problem, i've got a Propeller
>>> >>> Prop Plug from Parallax, modded to enable programming with a
>>> >>> BasicX24, but i'm beginning to work with the Arduino boards.
>>> >>> The board I have doesn't natively support USB and requires a USB to
>>> >>> TTL converter, rather than me buying another converter, would anyone
>>> >>> know if a modded Prop Plug will work alright with it?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The board I have is a Sanguino.
>>> >>> The mod in question involved removing a capacitor and putting in a
>>> >>> 150R resistor
>>> >>> http://www.zbasic.net/forum/attachments/files/dscn4391a_616.jpg
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Parallax Prop plug
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> http://www.parallax.com/Store/Microcontrollers/PropellerTools/tabid/143/ProductID/398/List/0/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Gary T
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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>>>Message: 3
>>>Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:49:46 +1200
>>>From: Paul Davey <plmdvy at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [chbot] Parallax Prop Plug
>>>To: Christchurch Robotics <chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz>
>>>Message-ID:
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>>>
>>>should be a 3.3v serial with DTR "not"ed to the reset line so that the
>>>PC can trigger a reset.
>>>
>>>should be able to use a standard serial port with a level converter yes?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>Message: 4
>>>Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:16:05 +1200
>>>From: Gary T <grogyan at woosh.co.nz>
>>>Subject: Re: [chbot] Chchrobotics Digest, Vol 22, Issue 7
>>>To: chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz
>>>Message-ID: <E1MNOla-0002rT-H6 at mx9.orcon.net.nz>
>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>>
>>>Cheers Richard,
>>>I removed the mod and put a 10nF back in (through hole).
>>>I was unable to program the Sanguino, after many tries of various ways.
>>>
>>>Unfortunately my biggest fear was realized with doing a second mod,
>>>and I had knocked the device in a way that broke off the 10nF cap,
>>>and the pad as well.
>>>
>>>Looks like i'll be buying a new Prop Plug from Parallax so that I can
>>>still use my BX24, and hopefully I can mod it (once) in a way that
>>>allows me to do both Sanguino and BasicX24 micro controllers.
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks for letting me know that it does work with Arduino
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Gary T
>>>
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>>> >Today's Topics:
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>>> >    1. Parallax Prop Plug (Gary T)
>>> >    2. Re: Parallax Prop Plug (Richard Jones)
>>> >    3. Re: Parallax Prop Plug (Richard Jones)
>>> >
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>>> >Message: 1
>>> >Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:48:18 +1200
>>> >From: Gary T <grogyan at woosh.co.nz>
>>> >Subject: [chbot] Parallax Prop Plug
>>> >To: chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz
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>>> >Hello,
>>> >I'm looking for some help on a small problem, i've got a Propeller
>>> >Prop Plug from Parallax, modded to enable programming with a
>>> >BasicX24, but i'm beginning to work with the Arduino boards.
>>> >The board I have doesn't natively support USB and requires a USB to
>>> >TTL converter, rather than me buying another converter, would anyone
>>> >know if a modded Prop Plug will work alright with it?
>>> >
>>> >The board I have is a Sanguino.
>>> >The mod in question involved removing a capacitor and putting in a
>>> >150R resistor
>>> >http://www.zbasic.net/forum/attachments/files/dscn4391a_616.jpg
>>> >
>>> >Parallax Prop plug
>>> >http://www.parallax.com/Store/Microcontrollers/PropellerTools/tabid
>>> /143/ProductID/398/List/0/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName
>>> >
>>> >Thanks
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Gary T
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >------------------------------
>>> >
>>> >Message: 2
>>> >Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:35:54 +1200
>>> >From: Richard Jones <rjtp at ihug.co.nz>
>>> >Subject: Re: [chbot] Parallax Prop Plug
>>> >To: Christchurch Robotics <chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz>
>>> >Message-ID: <8ccadc6df3ba75707e86c34ed335190c at vodafone.co.nz>
>>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>> >
>>> >I don't exactly know the answer to your question, I use the prop plug
>>> > for
>>> >programming my ATMega8.
>>> >The mod you show involves the reset line. I made a pin out adaptor that
>>> > I
>>> >use between the mega8 and the prop plug that leaves the reset line
>>> >disconnected, connecting 0v and tx/rx data at 5v ttl levels. So I guess
>>> > it
>>> >depends what the reset line is used for in your setup. My suspicion is
>>> > that
>>> >you would be better off with the unmodified prop plug, or leaving the
>>> > reset
>>> >disconnected so that your target will not be permanently reset by 0v on
>>> > the
>>> >reset line coming from the prop plug.
>>> >
>>> >Cheers
>>> >
>>> >Richard.
>>> >
>>> >On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:48:18 +1200, Gary T <grogyan at woosh.co.nz> wrote:
>>> > > Hello,
>>> > > I'm looking for some help on a small problem, i've got a Propeller
>>> > > Prop Plug from Parallax, modded to enable programming with a
>>> > > BasicX24, but i'm beginning to work with the Arduino boards.
>>> > > The board I have doesn't natively support USB and requires a USB to
>>> > > TTL converter, rather than me buying another converter, would anyone
>>> > > know if a modded Prop Plug will work alright with it?
>>> > >
>>> > > The board I have is a Sanguino.
>>> > > The mod in question involved removing a capacitor and putting in a
>>> > > 150R resistor
>>> > > http://www.zbasic.net/forum/attachments/files/dscn4391a_616.jpg
>>> > >
>>> > > Parallax Prop plug
>>> > >
>>> >http://www.parallax.com/Store/Microcontrollers/PropellerTools/tabid
>>> /143/ProductID/398/List/0/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Gary T
>>> > >
>>> > >
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>>> >Message: 3
>>> >Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:38:17 +1200
>>> >From: Richard Jones <rjtp at ihug.co.nz>
>>> >Subject: Re: [chbot] Parallax Prop Plug
>>> >To: Christchurch Robotics <chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz>
>>> >Message-ID: <a246079a16ad177baabb4f9413dc61bc at vodafone.co.nz>
>>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>> >
>>> >Hi Gary,
>>> >
>>> >I found a schematic for the Sanguino here:
>>> >http://sanguino.cc/1-0kitassembly
>>> >
>>> >Your modified prop plug will need a pin out adaptor to work with the
>>> >Sanguino as the pin out is a little different, otherwise it looks like
>>> > it
>>> >will be fine.
>>> >
>>> >Richard
>>> >
>>> >On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:48:18 +1200, Gary T <grogyan at woosh.co.nz> wrote:
>>> > > Hello,
>>> > > I'm looking for some help on a small problem, i've got a Propeller
>>> > > Prop Plug from Parallax, modded to enable programming with a
>>> > > BasicX24, but i'm beginning to work with the Arduino boards.
>>> > > The board I have doesn't natively support USB and requires a USB to
>>> > > TTL converter, rather than me buying another converter, would anyone
>>> > > know if a modded Prop Plug will work alright with it?
>>> > >
>>> > > The board I have is a Sanguino.
>>> > > The mod in question involved removing a capacitor and putting in a
>>> > > 150R resistor
>>> > > http://www.zbasic.net/forum/attachments/files/dscn4391a_616.jpg
>>> > >
>>> > > Parallax Prop plug
>>> > >
>>> >http://www.parallax.com/Store/Microcontrollers/PropellerTools/tabid
>>> /143/ProductID/398/List/0/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Gary T
>>> > >
>>> > >
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