[chbot] Chchrobotics Digest, Vol 22, Issue 8

jimmy allen jimmy1248 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 7 07:21:01 BST 2009 

it is being used as an ISP(like one for AVRs)

On 7/7/09, jimmy allen <jimmy1248 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/7/09, jimmy allen <jimmy1248 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> could you use a USB to serial converter like a prop plug?
>>
>> On 7/7/09, Charles Manning <cdhmanning at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm a bit confused as to what the Prop Plug is doing.
>>> Is it just being used as TTL leve serial to USB adapter (ie replacing
>>> RS232 drivers + USB to RS232 adapter) or is it being used as a ISP
>>> programmer?
>>>
>>> Assuming for a moment that you're using it as a serial to USB adapter,
>>> there does seem to be a slight issue. The prop plug reset is open
>>> collector and the sanguino reset line is driven through a capacitor.
>>> That would indicate that the sanguino needs to have an active driver
>>> (since the capacitor defeats an OC driver).. You can probably achieve
>>> this by putting a 1K resistor between 5V and the prop plug reset line.
>>>
>>> When you say "not working" what do you mean? There are a few things
>>> that need to be right: resets, signal driving, baud rate,...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Gary T<grogyan at woosh.co.nz> wrote:
>>>> Well i've done open heart surgery on the Prop Plug, and with the
>>>> switch now attached, is selectable between,
>>>> Programming BasicX and ZBasic
>>>> Programming Basic Stamp and Arduino(s) in default mode
>>>>
>>>> My BasicX programs ok, still no luck with the Sanguino
>>>>
>>>> The adapter cable i've made is
>>>> Sanguino                Prop Plug
>>>> Gnd             ->      Gnd
>>>> N/C
>>>> N/C
>>>> Tx              ->      Tx
>>>> Rx              ->      Rx
>>>> !Reset          ->      !Reset
>>>>
>>>> Any other  ideas, please?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gary T
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. Re: Parallax Prop Plug (jimmy allen)
>>>>>    2. Re: Parallax Prop Plug (jimmy allen)
>>>>>    3. Re: Parallax Prop Plug (Paul Davey)
>>>>>    4. Re: Chchrobotics Digest, Vol 22, Issue 7 (Gary T)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>Message: 1
>>>>>Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:05:08 +1200
>>>>>From: jimmy allen <jimmy1248 at gmail.com>
>>>>>Subject: Re: [chbot] Parallax Prop Plug
>>>>>To: Christchurch Robotics <chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz>
>>>>>Message-ID:
>>>>>         <50e4abd00907041705y29f11631q82c70c16a043b921 at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>>
>>>>>You could build a converter.I have a schematic and you would probably
>>>>>be able to construct it for less than $20.
>>>>>
>>>>>On 7/4/09, Richard Jones <rjtp at ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>> > Hi Gary,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I found a schematic for the Sanguino here:
>>>>> > http://sanguino.cc/1-0kitassembly
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Your modified prop plug will need a pin out adaptor to work with the
>>>>> > Sanguino as the pin out is a little different, otherwise it looks
>>>>> > like
>>>>> > it
>>>>> > will be fine.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Richard
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:48:18 +1200, Gary T <grogyan at woosh.co.nz>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >> Hello,
>>>>> >> I'm looking for some help on a small problem, i've got a Propeller
>>>>> >> Prop Plug from Parallax, modded to enable programming with a
>>>>> >> BasicX24, but i'm beginning to work with the Arduino boards.
>>>>> >> The board I have doesn't natively support USB and requires a USB to
>>>>> >> TTL converter, rather than me buying another converter, would
>>>>> >> anyone
>>>>> >> know if a modded Prop Plug will work alright with it?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The board I have is a Sanguino.
>>>>> >> The mod in question involved removing a capacitor and putting in a
>>>>> >> 150R resistor
>>>>> >> http://www.zbasic.net/forum/attachments/files/dscn4391a_616.jpg
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Parallax Prop plug
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://www.parallax.com/Store/Microcontrollers/PropellerTools/tabid/143/ProductID/398/List/0/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thanks
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Gary T
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
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>>>>>------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>Message: 2
>>>>>Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:44:29 +1200
>>>>>From: jimmy allen <jimmy1248 at gmail.com>
>>>>>Subject: Re: [chbot] Parallax Prop Plug
>>>>>To: Christchurch Robotics <chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz>
>>>>>Message-ID:
>>>>>         <50e4abd00907042144s86690efx820e5773ff65f79f at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>>
>>>>>i have been reading through the propeller tutorials and noticed that
>>>>>it said that the prop plug is a USB - serial converter so could you
>>>>>program it via serial?
>>>>>
>>>>>On 7/5/09, jimmy allen <jimmy1248 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > You could build a converter.I have a schematic and you would
>>>>> > probably
>>>>> > be able to construct it for less than $20.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 7/4/09, Richard Jones <rjtp at ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>> >> Hi Gary,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I found a schematic for the Sanguino here:
>>>>> >> http://sanguino.cc/1-0kitassembly
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Your modified prop plug will need a pin out adaptor to work with
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> Sanguino as the pin out is a little different, otherwise it looks
>>>>> >> like
>>>>> >> it
>>>>> >> will be fine.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Richard
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:48:18 +1200, Gary T <grogyan at woosh.co.nz>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >>> Hello,
>>>>> >>> I'm looking for some help on a small problem, i've got a Propeller
>>>>> >>> Prop Plug from Parallax, modded to enable programming with a
>>>>> >>> BasicX24, but i'm beginning to work with the Arduino boards.
>>>>> >>> The board I have doesn't natively support USB and requires a USB
>>>>> >>> to
>>>>> >>> TTL converter, rather than me buying another converter, would
>>>>> >>> anyone
>>>>> >>> know if a modded Prop Plug will work alright with it?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> The board I have is a Sanguino.
>>>>> >>> The mod in question involved removing a capacitor and putting in a
>>>>> >>> 150R resistor
>>>>> >>> http://www.zbasic.net/forum/attachments/files/dscn4391a_616.jpg
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Parallax Prop plug
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> http://www.parallax.com/Store/Microcontrollers/PropellerTools/tabid/143/ProductID/398/List/0/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Thanks
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Gary T
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
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>>>>>------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>Message: 3
>>>>>Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:49:46 +1200
>>>>>From: Paul Davey <plmdvy at gmail.com>
>>>>>Subject: Re: [chbot] Parallax Prop Plug
>>>>>To: Christchurch Robotics <chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz>
>>>>>Message-ID:
>>>>>         <9430ad070907042149u2abf1989maaed3946118864a5 at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>>
>>>>>should be a 3.3v serial with DTR "not"ed to the reset line so that the
>>>>>PC can trigger a reset.
>>>>>
>>>>>should be able to use a standard serial port with a level converter
>>>>> yes?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>Message: 4
>>>>>Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:16:05 +1200
>>>>>From: Gary T <grogyan at woosh.co.nz>
>>>>>Subject: Re: [chbot] Chchrobotics Digest, Vol 22, Issue 7
>>>>>To: chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz
>>>>>Message-ID: <E1MNOla-0002rT-H6 at mx9.orcon.net.nz>
>>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers Richard,
>>>>>I removed the mod and put a 10nF back in (through hole).
>>>>>I was unable to program the Sanguino, after many tries of various ways.
>>>>>
>>>>>Unfortunately my biggest fear was realized with doing a second mod,
>>>>>and I had knocked the device in a way that broke off the 10nF cap,
>>>>>and the pad as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>Looks like i'll be buying a new Prop Plug from Parallax so that I can
>>>>>still use my BX24, and hopefully I can mod it (once) in a way that
>>>>>allows me to do both Sanguino and BasicX24 micro controllers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for letting me know that it does work with Arduino
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Gary T
>>>>>
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>>>>> >Today's Topics:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >    1. Parallax Prop Plug (Gary T)
>>>>> >    2. Re: Parallax Prop Plug (Richard Jones)
>>>>> >    3. Re: Parallax Prop Plug (Richard Jones)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Message: 1
>>>>> >Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:48:18 +1200
>>>>> >From: Gary T <grogyan at woosh.co.nz>
>>>>> >Subject: [chbot] Parallax Prop Plug
>>>>> >To: chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz
>>>>> >Message-ID: <E1MMqcX-00014p-PH at mx5.orcon.net.nz>
>>>>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Hello,
>>>>> >I'm looking for some help on a small problem, i've got a Propeller
>>>>> >Prop Plug from Parallax, modded to enable programming with a
>>>>> >BasicX24, but i'm beginning to work with the Arduino boards.
>>>>> >The board I have doesn't natively support USB and requires a USB to
>>>>> >TTL converter, rather than me buying another converter, would anyone
>>>>> >know if a modded Prop Plug will work alright with it?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >The board I have is a Sanguino.
>>>>> >The mod in question involved removing a capacitor and putting in a
>>>>> >150R resistor
>>>>> >http://www.zbasic.net/forum/attachments/files/dscn4391a_616.jpg
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Parallax Prop plug
>>>>> >http://www.parallax.com/Store/Microcontrollers/PropellerTools/tabid
>>>>> /143/ProductID/398/List/0/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Thanks
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Gary T
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >------------------------------
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Message: 2
>>>>> >Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:35:54 +1200
>>>>> >From: Richard Jones <rjtp at ihug.co.nz>
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [chbot] Parallax Prop Plug
>>>>> >To: Christchurch Robotics <chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz>
>>>>> >Message-ID: <8ccadc6df3ba75707e86c34ed335190c at vodafone.co.nz>
>>>>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I don't exactly know the answer to your question, I use the prop plug
>>>>> > for
>>>>> >programming my ATMega8.
>>>>> >The mod you show involves the reset line. I made a pin out adaptor
>>>>> > that
>>>>> > I
>>>>> >use between the mega8 and the prop plug that leaves the reset line
>>>>> >disconnected, connecting 0v and tx/rx data at 5v ttl levels. So I
>>>>> > guess
>>>>> > it
>>>>> >depends what the reset line is used for in your setup. My suspicion
>>>>> > is
>>>>> > that
>>>>> >you would be better off with the unmodified prop plug, or leaving the
>>>>> > reset
>>>>> >disconnected so that your target will not be permanently reset by 0v
>>>>> > on
>>>>> > the
>>>>> >reset line coming from the prop plug.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Cheers
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Richard.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:48:18 +1200, Gary T <grogyan at woosh.co.nz>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> > > Hello,
>>>>> > > I'm looking for some help on a small problem, i've got a Propeller
>>>>> > > Prop Plug from Parallax, modded to enable programming with a
>>>>> > > BasicX24, but i'm beginning to work with the Arduino boards.
>>>>> > > The board I have doesn't natively support USB and requires a USB
>>>>> > > to
>>>>> > > TTL converter, rather than me buying another converter, would
>>>>> > > anyone
>>>>> > > know if a modded Prop Plug will work alright with it?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > The board I have is a Sanguino.
>>>>> > > The mod in question involved removing a capacitor and putting in a
>>>>> > > 150R resistor
>>>>> > > http://www.zbasic.net/forum/attachments/files/dscn4391a_616.jpg
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Parallax Prop plug
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >http://www.parallax.com/Store/Microcontrollers/PropellerTools/tabid
>>>>> /143/ProductID/398/List/0/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Thanks
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Gary T
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > _______________________________________________
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>>>>> >------------------------------
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Message: 3
>>>>> >Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:38:17 +1200
>>>>> >From: Richard Jones <rjtp at ihug.co.nz>
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [chbot] Parallax Prop Plug
>>>>> >To: Christchurch Robotics <chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz>
>>>>> >Message-ID: <a246079a16ad177baabb4f9413dc61bc at vodafone.co.nz>
>>>>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Hi Gary,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I found a schematic for the Sanguino here:
>>>>> >http://sanguino.cc/1-0kitassembly
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Your modified prop plug will need a pin out adaptor to work with the
>>>>> >Sanguino as the pin out is a little different, otherwise it looks
>>>>> > like
>>>>> > it
>>>>> >will be fine.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Richard
>>>>> >
>>>>> >On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:48:18 +1200, Gary T <grogyan at woosh.co.nz>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> > > Hello,
>>>>> > > I'm looking for some help on a small problem, i've got a Propeller
>>>>> > > Prop Plug from Parallax, modded to enable programming with a
>>>>> > > BasicX24, but i'm beginning to work with the Arduino boards.
>>>>> > > The board I have doesn't natively support USB and requires a USB
>>>>> > > to
>>>>> > > TTL converter, rather than me buying another converter, would
>>>>> > > anyone
>>>>> > > know if a modded Prop Plug will work alright with it?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > The board I have is a Sanguino.
>>>>> > > The mod in question involved removing a capacitor and putting in a
>>>>> > > 150R resistor
>>>>> > > http://www.zbasic.net/forum/attachments/files/dscn4391a_616.jpg
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Parallax Prop plug
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >http://www.parallax.com/Store/Microcontrollers/PropellerTools/tabid
>>>>> /143/ProductID/398/List/0/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Thanks
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Gary T
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > _______________________________________________
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