[chbot] 60 min of free power per day

[Helmut Walle]

Thank you, Mark - I absolutely agree, and I had similar thoughts when I 
first read about this one-free-hour offer. Mind you, once everyone has a 
platoon of Nissan Leafs, cheap night rates will be a thing of the past, 
too... And that even more so as an increase in solar electricity 
generation provides more energy during the day, thus softening the 
historic challenge of more or less continuous generation vs. rather low 
demand during the night. At the same time storage is getting ever 
better, and there will be grid parity and all that... exciting times in 
the energy world. In ten years we will probably be thinking, "How did 
that just happen?".

Kind regards,

Helmut.

On 25/06/2017 8:28 p.m., Mark Atherton wrote:
> Thank you Helmut,
>
> No immediate plans to charge the platoon of Nissan Leafs from the one
> dangling light socket in the house, for 60mins !
>
> Given the obviously available methods of energy storage within a house
> (hot water cylinder, electric storage heater), and the availability of
> low cost nighttime electricity, it became quite quickly obvious to me
> that the whole marketing ploy of electric-kiwi was rather clever. At
> first brush, it seems a brilliant deal; upon investigation it seems
> almost useless. Isn't that almost the definition of brilliant marketing ?
>
> Regards, Mark
>
> On 25/06/2017 8:01 PM, Helmut Walle wrote:
>> Safety warning...
>>
>> A word of caution regarding this line of thought - and I am sure you
>> are more than aware of this, Mark, but it may warrant stating
>> explicitly: time is obviously limited. You have one hour to "download"
>> all the energy you can get, which appears tempting. But there clearly
>> is an incentive to draw a high current in this tariff.
>> Now while the service fuse may be rated 60 A, surely many of the
>> downstream parts of the installation are not. This lies in the nature
>> of residential wiring work, which is there to provide electricity to
>> many places in the house, but the power available per socket is quite
>> limited. The current rating on any individual circuit will typically
>> be 10-20 A. All circuits should have appropriate over-current
>> protection. But there are some potential issues with this: any
>> electrical installation is subject to ageing. One thing that happens
>> is that connection points of any kind show a higher resistance over
>> time, which can be due to corrosion or loosening. The increased
>> resistance can lead to excessive heating under high load (high
>> current). One of the possible outcomes is a fire. But even moderate
>> heating that doesn't cause an outright fire can damage and degrade
>> insulation, which can in the long run again lead to a fire.
>>
>> Older houses in particular may be fraught with various issues
>> affecting the safety of their electrical wiring, which can be a
>> serious safety risk under very "normal" operating conditions that do
>> not even go anywhere near maxing out the current ratings.
>>
>> So this is something to keep in mind: when connecting higher loads or
>> drawing higher currents than before from the same installation, be
>> particularly careful and alert regarding these safety concerns.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Helmut.
>>
>> On 25/06/2017 11:50 a.m., Mark Atherton wrote:
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> Only just found about this energy company, and their offer of 60 min of
>>> free off-peak electricity per day -
>>> https://www.electrickiwi.co.nz/hour-of-power
>>>
>>> Haven't run-the-numbers yet to see if there are real savings to be had,
>>> but figure this might make an interesting chocolate-fish-challenge for
>>> the group.
>>>
>>> So the question is: how maximize the benefit of this kind of offer.
>>>
>>> So for a 60A service to a house, this is almost 14kW, and at $0.35 per
>>> (daytime) unit, this could amount to just under $5 per day, if the
>>> entire 60A could be consumed. This amounts to around $150 per month
>>> possible savings.
>>>
>>> Obvious thing to turn on is the heater on the hot tank (3.5kW), which
>>> would normally be heated at the night rate ($0.15 per unit), so only
>>> $0.52 savings here.
>>>
>>> So, the problem looks like it converges on a need for daytime power, if
>>> the higher saving is to be leveraged.
>>>
>>> Anyway, just a daft thought experiment.
>>>
>>> Comments welcome.
>>>
>>> -Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
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