[chbot] Chchrobotics Digest, Vol 118, Issue 3

Chris Sharkman chris.sharkman at gmail.com
Wed Jul 5 09:50:14 BST 2017 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29bDKpw5lGA

cool doco. on batteries

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>    1. IoT from Vodafone and Spark. (hamster)
>    2. Re: IoT from Vodafone and Spark. (Charles Manning)
>    3. Re: IoT from Vodafone and Spark. (Marek Kuziel)
>    4. Re: IoT from Vodafone and Spark. (Mark Atherton)
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> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 16:43:29 +1200
> From: hamster <hamster at snap.net.nz>
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> Subject: [chbot] IoT from Vodafone and Spark.
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> Just saw
> https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/94336747/
> spark-and-vodafone-announce-competing-investments-in-internet-of-things
>
>
> Vodaphone is deploying "NarrowBand IoT" -
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NarrowBand_IOT, which can go in the
> Cellular network bands.
>
> Spark are going LoRa -
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPWAN - which looks to be on separate
> bandwidth from Cell Phone traffic.
>
> To me, it looks like the Spark
> offering is actually a new service and most likely superior for true IoT
> apps (low power, occasional short messages like utility meters, garage
> doors, light bulbs and toasters), and the Vodafone offering is a "but we
> can do this!" to muddy the waters, as who really needs Mb/s+ speed for
> an IoT device?
>
> They might end up being complementary...
>
> Mike
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> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 17:19:29 +1200
> From: Charles Manning <cdhmanning at gmail.com>
> To: Christchurch Robotics <chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz>
> Subject: Re: [chbot] IoT from Vodafone and Spark.
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> Hamster,
>
> I don't think there is much commonality in IoT space (apart from lots of
> hype which ever way you look). That's why you see both BTLE chips that run
> for a year on a coin cell as well as a gas-guzzling Intel Atom both being
> pitched as being perfect for IoT.
>
> If you add wireless security cameras etc to the IoT space, then Mbits
> starts to make some sense.
>
> They might address different markets, but I would think it hard to see them
> being complementary (ie in the sense of being used together). Who would
> want two IoT bills on top of your broadband bill just so your fridge can
> tweet your washing machine?
>
> One thing's for sure though, they will have to settle on some standards to
> support plug and play otherwise the industry won't gather traction.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:43 PM, hamster <hamster at snap.net.nz> wrote:
>
> > Just saw https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/94336747/
> > spark-and-vodafone-announce-competing-investments-in-internet-of-things
> >
> > Vodaphone is deploying "NarrowBand IoT" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> > NarrowBand_IOT, which can go in the Cellular network bands.
> >
> > Spark are going LoRa - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPWAN - which looks
> > to be on separate bandwidth from Cell Phone traffic.
> >
> > To me, it looks like the Spark offering is actually a new service and
> most
> > likely superior for true IoT apps (low power, occasional short messages
> > like utility meters, garage doors, light bulbs and toasters), and the
> > Vodafone offering is a "but we can do this!" to muddy the waters, as who
> > really needs Mb/s+ speed for an IoT device?
> >
> > They might end up being complementary...
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 18:33:54 +1200
> From: Marek Kuziel <marek at kuziel.info>
> To: Christchurch Robotics <chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz>
> Subject: Re: [chbot] IoT from Vodafone and Spark.
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> That's a great news!
>
> The main difference (AFAIK) is that LoRaWAN operates in unlicensed spectrum
> (868/915MHz) whereas NB-IoT is for licensed bands.
>
> If there'd be an interest from the group I can bring over few LoRaWAN
> "things" that I've built for the next meeting.
>
> Marek
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:43 PM, hamster <hamster at snap.net.nz> wrote:
>
> > Just saw https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/94336747/
> > spark-and-vodafone-announce-competing-investments-in-internet-of-things
> >
> > Vodaphone is deploying "NarrowBand IoT" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> > NarrowBand_IOT, which can go in the Cellular network bands.
> >
> > Spark are going LoRa - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPWAN - which looks
> > to be on separate bandwidth from Cell Phone traffic.
> >
> > To me, it looks like the Spark offering is actually a new service and
> most
> > likely superior for true IoT apps (low power, occasional short messages
> > like utility meters, garage doors, light bulbs and toasters), and the
> > Vodafone offering is a "but we can do this!" to muddy the waters, as who
> > really needs Mb/s+ speed for an IoT device?
> >
> > They might end up being complementary...
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 18:37:24 +1200
> From: Mark Atherton <markaren1 at xtra.co.nz>
> To: chchrobotics at lists.linuxnut.co.nz
> Subject: Re: [chbot] IoT from Vodafone and Spark.
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> Yes, please
>
> And some Bluetooth stories...
>
> -mark
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> On 3/07/2017 6:33 PM, Marek Kuziel wrote:
> > That's a great news!
> >
> > The main difference (AFAIK) is that LoRaWAN operates in unlicensed
> > spectrum (868/915MHz) whereas NB-IoT is for licensed bands.
> >
> > If there'd be an interest from the group I can bring over few LoRaWAN
> > "things" that I've built for the next meeting.
> >
> > Marek
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:43 PM, hamster <hamster at snap.net.nz
> > <mailto:hamster at snap.net.nz>> wrote:
> >
> >     Just saw
> >     https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/94336747/
> spark-and-vodafone-announce-competing-investments-in-internet-of-things
> >     <https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/94336747/
> spark-and-vodafone-announce-competing-investments-in-internet-of-things>
> >
> >     Vodaphone is deploying "NarrowBand IoT" -
> >     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NarrowBand_IOT
> >     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NarrowBand_IOT>, which can go in
> >     the Cellular network bands.
> >
> >     Spark are going LoRa - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPWAN
> >     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPWAN> - which looks to be on
> >     separate bandwidth from Cell Phone traffic.
> >
> >     To me, it looks like the Spark offering is actually a new service
> >     and most likely superior for true IoT apps (low power, occasional
> >     short messages like utility meters, garage doors, light bulbs and
> >     toasters), and the Vodafone offering is a "but we can do this!" to
> >     muddy the waters, as who really needs Mb/s+ speed for an IoT device?
> >
> >     They might end up being complementary...
> >
> >     Mike
> >
> >
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