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1. IoT from Vodafone and Spark. (hamster)<br>
2. Re: IoT from Vodafone and Spark. (Charles Manning)<br>
3. Re: IoT from Vodafone and Spark. (Marek Kuziel)<br>
4. Re: IoT from Vodafone and Spark. (Mark Atherton)<br>
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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 16:43:29 +1200<br>
From: hamster <<a href="mailto:hamster@snap.net.nz">hamster@snap.net.nz</a>><br>
To: <<a href="mailto:Chchrobotics@lists.linuxnut.co.nz">Chchrobotics@lists.linuxnut.<wbr>co.nz</a>><br>
Subject: [chbot] IoT from Vodafone and Spark.<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:2e9355bf676ef47d8b27259b7870e5ca@snap.net.nz">2e9355bf676ef47d8b27259b7870e<wbr>5ca@snap.net.nz</a>><br>
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Just saw<br>
<a href="https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/94336747/spark-and-vodafone-announce-competing-investments-in-internet-of-things" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.stuff.co.nz/<wbr>business/industries/94336747/<wbr>spark-and-vodafone-announce-<wbr>competing-investments-in-<wbr>internet-of-things</a><br>
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<br>
Vodaphone is deploying "NarrowBand IoT" -<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NarrowBand_IOT" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>NarrowBand_IOT</a>, which can go in the<br>
Cellular network bands.<br>
<br>
Spark are going LoRa -<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPWAN" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>LPWAN</a> - which looks to be on separate<br>
bandwidth from Cell Phone traffic.<br>
<br>
To me, it looks like the Spark<br>
offering is actually a new service and most likely superior for true IoT<br>
apps (low power, occasional short messages like utility meters, garage<br>
doors, light bulbs and toasters), and the Vodafone offering is a "but we<br>
can do this!" to muddy the waters, as who really needs Mb/s+ speed for<br>
an IoT device?<br>
<br>
They might end up being complementary...<br>
<br>
Mike<br>
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 17:19:29 +1200<br>
From: Charles Manning <<a href="mailto:cdhmanning@gmail.com">cdhmanning@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Christchurch Robotics <<a href="mailto:chchrobotics@lists.linuxnut.co.nz">chchrobotics@lists.linuxnut.<wbr>co.nz</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [chbot] IoT from Vodafone and Spark.<br>
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Hamster,<br>
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I don't think there is much commonality in IoT space (apart from lots of<br>
hype which ever way you look). That's why you see both BTLE chips that run<br>
for a year on a coin cell as well as a gas-guzzling Intel Atom both being<br>
pitched as being perfect for IoT.<br>
<br>
If you add wireless security cameras etc to the IoT space, then Mbits<br>
starts to make some sense.<br>
<br>
They might address different markets, but I would think it hard to see them<br>
being complementary (ie in the sense of being used together). Who would<br>
want two IoT bills on top of your broadband bill just so your fridge can<br>
tweet your washing machine?<br>
<br>
One thing's for sure though, they will have to settle on some standards to<br>
support plug and play otherwise the industry won't gather traction.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:43 PM, hamster <<a href="mailto:hamster@snap.net.nz">hamster@snap.net.nz</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Just saw <a href="https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/94336747/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.stuff.co.nz/<wbr>business/industries/94336747/</a><br>
> spark-and-vodafone-announce-<wbr>competing-investments-in-<wbr>internet-of-things<br>
><br>
> Vodaphone is deploying "NarrowBand IoT" - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/</a><br>
> NarrowBand_IOT, which can go in the Cellular network bands.<br>
><br>
> Spark are going LoRa - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPWAN" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>LPWAN</a> - which looks<br>
> to be on separate bandwidth from Cell Phone traffic.<br>
><br>
> To me, it looks like the Spark offering is actually a new service and most<br>
> likely superior for true IoT apps (low power, occasional short messages<br>
> like utility meters, garage doors, light bulbs and toasters), and the<br>
> Vodafone offering is a "but we can do this!" to muddy the waters, as who<br>
> really needs Mb/s+ speed for an IoT device?<br>
><br>
> They might end up being complementary...<br>
><br>
> Mike<br>
><br>
><br>
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 18:33:54 +1200<br>
From: Marek Kuziel <<a href="mailto:marek@kuziel.info">marek@kuziel.info</a>><br>
To: Christchurch Robotics <<a href="mailto:chchrobotics@lists.linuxnut.co.nz">chchrobotics@lists.linuxnut.<wbr>co.nz</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [chbot] IoT from Vodafone and Spark.<br>
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That's a great news!<br>
<br>
The main difference (AFAIK) is that LoRaWAN operates in unlicensed spectrum<br>
(868/915MHz) whereas NB-IoT is for licensed bands.<br>
<br>
If there'd be an interest from the group I can bring over few LoRaWAN<br>
"things" that I've built for the next meeting.<br>
<br>
Marek<br>
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On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:43 PM, hamster <<a href="mailto:hamster@snap.net.nz">hamster@snap.net.nz</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Just saw <a href="https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/94336747/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.stuff.co.nz/<wbr>business/industries/94336747/</a><br>
> spark-and-vodafone-announce-<wbr>competing-investments-in-<wbr>internet-of-things<br>
><br>
> Vodaphone is deploying "NarrowBand IoT" - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/</a><br>
> NarrowBand_IOT, which can go in the Cellular network bands.<br>
><br>
> Spark are going LoRa - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPWAN" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>LPWAN</a> - which looks<br>
> to be on separate bandwidth from Cell Phone traffic.<br>
><br>
> To me, it looks like the Spark offering is actually a new service and most<br>
> likely superior for true IoT apps (low power, occasional short messages<br>
> like utility meters, garage doors, light bulbs and toasters), and the<br>
> Vodafone offering is a "but we can do this!" to muddy the waters, as who<br>
> really needs Mb/s+ speed for an IoT device?<br>
><br>
> They might end up being complementary...<br>
><br>
> Mike<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 18:37:24 +1200<br>
From: Mark Atherton <<a href="mailto:markaren1@xtra.co.nz">markaren1@xtra.co.nz</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:chchrobotics@lists.linuxnut.co.nz">chchrobotics@lists.linuxnut.<wbr>co.nz</a><br>
Subject: Re: [chbot] IoT from Vodafone and Spark.<br>
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Yes, please<br>
<br>
And some Bluetooth stories...<br>
<br>
-mark<br>
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On 3/07/2017 6:33 PM, Marek Kuziel wrote:<br>
> That's a great news!<br>
><br>
> The main difference (AFAIK) is that LoRaWAN operates in unlicensed<br>
> spectrum (868/915MHz) whereas NB-IoT is for licensed bands.<br>
><br>
> If there'd be an interest from the group I can bring over few LoRaWAN<br>
> "things" that I've built for the next meeting.<br>
><br>
> Marek<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:43 PM, hamster <<a href="mailto:hamster@snap.net.nz">hamster@snap.net.nz</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:hamster@snap.net.nz">hamster@snap.net.nz</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Just saw<br>
> <a href="https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/94336747/spark-and-vodafone-announce-competing-investments-in-internet-of-things" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.stuff.co.nz/<wbr>business/industries/94336747/<wbr>spark-and-vodafone-announce-<wbr>competing-investments-in-<wbr>internet-of-things</a><br>
> <<a href="https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/94336747/spark-and-vodafone-announce-competing-investments-in-internet-of-things" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.stuff.co.nz/<wbr>business/industries/94336747/<wbr>spark-and-vodafone-announce-<wbr>competing-investments-in-<wbr>internet-of-things</a>><br>
><br>
> Vodaphone is deploying "NarrowBand IoT" -<br>
> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NarrowBand_IOT" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>NarrowBand_IOT</a><br>
> <<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NarrowBand_IOT" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/<wbr>wiki/NarrowBand_IOT</a>>, which can go in<br>
> the Cellular network bands.<br>
><br>
> Spark are going LoRa - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPWAN" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>LPWAN</a><br>
> <<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPWAN" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/<wbr>wiki/LPWAN</a>> - which looks to be on<br>
> separate bandwidth from Cell Phone traffic.<br>
><br>
> To me, it looks like the Spark offering is actually a new service<br>
> and most likely superior for true IoT apps (low power, occasional<br>
> short messages like utility meters, garage doors, light bulbs and<br>
> toasters), and the Vodafone offering is a "but we can do this!" to<br>
> muddy the waters, as who really needs Mb/s+ speed for an IoT device?<br>
><br>
> They might end up being complementary...<br>
><br>
> Mike<br>
><br>
><br>
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