<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On 1/03/2009, at 6:24 PM, Sam Hadley-Jones wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite">Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:20:49 +1300<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: Aaron Whitehouse <<a href="mailto:lists@whitehouse.org.nz">lists@whitehouse.org.nz</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] Sky->smart card reader->MythTV ???<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: MythTV in NZ <<a href="mailto:mythtvnz@lists.linuxnut.co.nz">mythtvnz@lists.linuxnut.co.nz</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:49A901F1.6010706@whitehouse.org.nz">49A901F1.6010706@whitehouse.org.nz</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">yuri wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Cut the paranoia.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">If it's not mentioned in the Terms and Conditions then it's not a problem.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">If the ToC does forbid it, it's a contractual matter, not a criminal matter.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Pay TV providers are not legislators.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Haha... if only that were true. This isn't legal advice, but in a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">one-line summary, the issue is with "Technological Protection Measures":<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1994/0143/latest/DLM346899.html?search=ts_act_copyright_resel#DLM346899">http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1994/0143/latest/DLM346899.html?search=ts_act_copyright_resel#DLM346899</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1994/0143/latest/DLM1705876.html?search=ts_act_copyright_resel">http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1994/0143/latest/DLM1705876.html?search=ts_act_copyright_resel</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">"A person (A) must not provide a service to another person (B) if?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(a) A intends the service to enable or assist B to circumvent a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">technological protection measure; and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(b) A knows or has reason to believe that the service will, or is likely<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to, be used to infringe copyright in a TPM work."<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">"A person (A) must not publish information enabling or assisting another<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">person to circumvent a technological protection measure if A intends<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">that the information will be used to infringe copyright in a TPM work."<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Even that is not that straight-forward. What constitutes infringing<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">copyright is really wide when it comes to time-shifting and format-shifting:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1994/0143/latest/DLM346229.html?search=ts_act_copyright_resel#DLM346229">http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1994/0143/latest/DLM346229.html?search=ts_act_copyright_resel#DLM346229</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">may help as only those with "lawful access" to Sky could use the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">techniques and they are likely to use it for time-shifting.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">As with all these things, even if you get legal advice on the point and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">think you are okay, are you going to risk it for helping strangers on a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">mailing list? It certainly isn't the first time that DRM etc. has been<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">used to protect monopolies and stifle competition.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Welcome to NZ's DMCA.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Regards,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Aaron<br></blockquote><br>I'd have to side with Yuri on this. There's no circumvention of TPM *if*<br>you're just using the sky feed like any other in MythTV. Now, if the<br>*intent* was to then set up card sharing (distributing the ECM keys to<br>people without a Sky subscription), that would be an issue.<br><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Wrong.. Very very wrong.</div><div><br></div><div>To watch a DVD under Linux you are circumventing TPM as you aren't using a licensed program, likewise if you watch Sky. If sky provided software to do this under Windows/Linux/Mac etc then we could do it legally, methods like ndscam etc aren't just borderline illegal, they are illegal under the new laws.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>To put it another way; the idea of decoding sky digital on your mythtv<br>box is replacing the sky decoder hardware. One still requires the<br>subscription card in order to watch only the channels that have been<br>subscribed to. There is no breach of copyright. Your Sky contract may be<br>breached but that is irrelevant in the context of instructing others.<br>There's no law against telling someone how to break a contract.<br><br>At a guess I'd say that there would be lots of individuals on this list<br>who would like to integrate Sky into their mythtv setups merely to save<br>quality loss capturing from an analogue card, transcoding, ir blasting,<br>etc.<br><br>On that note, if anyone has Sky and would like to test Mythtv<br>integration, I have a spare phoenix serial card reader (the jaycar $60<br>kit) that can be borrowed for a month or so.<br><br>Sam.<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>mythtvnz mailing list<br><a href="mailto:mythtvnz@lists.linuxnut.co.nz">mythtvnz@lists.linuxnut.co.nz</a><br>http://lists.ourshack.com/mailman/listinfo/mythtvnz<br>Archives http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/mythtvnz/<br></div></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Steven Ellis - Technical Director<br>OpenMedia Limited<br>email - <a href="mailto:steven@openmedia.co.nz">steven@openmedia.co.nz</a><br>website - <a href="http://www.openmedia.co.nz/">http://www.openmedia.co.nz</a><br></div></div></span> </div><br></body></html>