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Sun, 04 Jul 2004 12:39:43 +1200

a / good day ~O~

Nick Rout wrote:

>On Sat, July 3, 2004 10:55 pm, InfoHelp said:
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>>On Sat, 2004-07-03 at 21:44, Nick Rout wrote:
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>>>On Sat, July 3, 2004 9:07 pm, InfoHelp said:
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>>>So I see your point - GNU has no claim on non-GPL product, formally.
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>it has no claim on gpl product either. you could use the gpl and have
>nothing to do with gnu. like linus did.
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Now we're learning something..

>>This would indicate eventual drift of all licensing toward private, it
>>seems. Each little bit & widget, when the user base is big enough to
>>support new version updates, would be charged for.
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>why do you say that? there are plenty of people coding under various
>"free" / "open" licenses,if anything the trend is away from closed
>licenses.
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moreso - good news.

>>Hence the need to draw a line around the OS, & assert community
>>ownership therein. Logically, it would go too otherwise.
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>>But your case is that informal title too is void, I gather.
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>don't know what you mean by that.
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Sounds like I was being over-protective.

>>>what is the gnu web server? mta? media player?
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>>>I think a pure gnu/linux distro would be destructive of choices, and
>>>choice is a big reason for people changing from windows in the first
>>>place.
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>>Agreed, although it's possible good programs could still be made for the
>>tasks, out of necessity - so then it is not fruitless. A contributor
>>framework is needed for this - we have one already - the point of GNU.
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>yes programs can be re-written, but why re-write the examples i gave
>(apache, an MTA etc) to bring them into the gnu/fsf fold just for purity's
>sake?
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>>>why restrict choice to gnu and the kernel? is there a big problem with
>>>the
>>>apache license? or the sendmail license?
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>>How is choice restricted by identifying the platform core? One may
>>choose other things as well as that.
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>sorry i though you were discussing the prospect of a linux distro with
>solely gnu software (plus the kernel of course). My point is that such a
>concept would be unduly restrictive (IMHO)
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Jim was, tho he hasn't contexted GNU/Hurd for us yet.

Maybe you'd like to Nick?

>>>I posted a list of the licenses on the mandrake 4 cd on the CLUG or
>>>installfest list a few weeks ago, certainly many were not GPL.
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>>Yes I saw that,
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>>>how about seeing what licenses are on the packages on your system? Its
>>>pretty easy with an rpm system. of course a GPL license is not an
>>>indication of a package being part of GNU/FSF, but a different license
>>>would probably count it out.
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>>but don't remember your commands.
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>>This is pretty confusing material, unless IAAL :-)
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>the point was to show you how much non GPL software there is on your
>system and see if you could  do without it.
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>>Sometime I will.
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>>'Much easier to stand on principle' - you'd say there is none in GNU?
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>what? when did i say that there was no principle in the gnu philosphy?
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It's the GNU/Linux principle you seem to want to challenge here.

>>So why are we here?
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>>The only drift I'm gathering is "GNU must stop existing"
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>your interpretation is bizarre
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>>This sounds like "free software is over"
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>and gets more so...
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It was late, I was tired, my brain was shutting down..

>>Umm.. you do have the right to say that, & I have to defend your right
>>to say it.
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>but i didn't say it rik. i am simply saying that gnu is not the be all and
>end all of eveerything. it is part of a movement, buut it is not the
>movement.
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And noone seems to be saying that here, except Jim.

>>Or are you wanting us to work up a fully GPL OS & software platform?
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>sorry i thought you wanted a platform made of gnu software only
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As above.

>>And get started soon?
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>>Otherwise,
>>I'm missing something in understanding what you want from this list.
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>>Please enlighten :-)
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>sensible debate.
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Thanks for the invitation. As I said early in this dialogue, I am 
unprepared as yet.

I'll get back to you when I can accomodate.

Meantime, there's a "Linux" education program to run.

c u there

>>This is the best reply I can assemble with all the time I had.
>>
>>Thanks for yours too.
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