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    <p>Understood what you're asking for but actually it is impossible
      or impractical.</p>
    <p>There is no test that can say something is random.  There is a
      test that says, I can't see pattern X.  And there are tests that
      say we can't see patterns X-Z.  That's because of the nature of
      randomness - it can't be predicted therefore you can't predict
      that it wasn't created.</p>
    <p>In more practical terms, take a psuedorandom generator like a
      cipher, and just feed it your known password.  The result is
      psuedo-random - it is guaranteed to show no pattern.  But it's not
      random because it is reproducible by anyone who knows the
      password.  E.g., a "RNG" could be built with a cipher and the key
      "NSABACKDOOR" and it would always appear random but be precisely
      non-random.</p>
    <p>So how do we solve this problem in practice?  We solve it by (a )
      using multiple sources that are not visible to the same attacker,
      then (b) feeding each uncorrelated source into a "mixer" and (c)
      feeding the output of that into a psuedo-random-number-generator,
      which generates RNs for the user.</p>
    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://iang.org/ssl/hard_truths_hard_random_numbers.html">http://iang.org/ssl/hard_truths_hard_random_numbers.html</a><br>
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    <p>OneRNG the provides a great source to that end, as in practical
      systems we mostly have poor RNGs in the operating system but we
      can mix in additional entropy.</p>
    <p>iang<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14/06/2017 19:35, bsr wrote:<br>
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