<div id="geary-body" dir="auto"><div>(and did I mention Firefox, Chromium, other web-browsers, Thunderbird and other email clients, emacs, vi, gedit, Eclipse, Arduino IDE, other even more horrible IDEs, The GIMP, Rhythmbox: all of these have their own extension system with package managers? Yes, I use some of those too...do I trust all of those extensions?</div><div><br></div><div>If creating an AUR package is as easy as writing a shell script to download and install it, then it sounds like a good idea. </div><div><br></div><div>I will still have to install some horrible package that some useless supplier only makes available as a tar file with precompiled binaries, and take the chance that it doesn't get nasty.</div><div><br></div><div>At least the shell script reminds me where I got it from and how I installed it.</div><div><br></div><div>I am feeling rather exposed and vulnerable here: please, someone join Promiscuous Installers Anonymous, and tell me I am not the only one who has Reasons to run programs from outside the official repositories?</div><div><br></div><div>Stephen Irons</div></div><div id="geary-quote" dir="auto"><br>On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 14:17, Geoff <sdfgeoff@gmail.com> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><p dir="ltr">May I briefly mention Arch: <br>
Many things are in the official repos, most remaining things are in the AUR. The versions are always the latest, so no need for 90% of PPA's. Additionally creating a package is only a little more complex than creating a bash script to install it, and the package manager then tracks what files it puts where and the hashes. (This is why the AUR's are so comprehensive)</p>
<p dir="ltr">As a result installs with pip flatpak etc. are all contained under the supervision of the system package manager.</p>
<p dir="ltr">My laptop has exactly two 'systems' of installation: the system package manager and putting projects I'm working on/made in ~/bin</p>
<p dir="ltr">Geoffrey</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 25 Aug 2020 1:34 PM, "Stephen Irons" <<a href="mailto:stephen@irons.nz">stephen@irons.nz</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id="m_9173742775585416097geary-body" dir="auto"><div>Clearly I have become an Average Joe User, installing stuff left, right and centre.</div><div><br></div><div>How did I get here?</div><div><br></div><div>I used to be quite disciplined, and only installed stuff from the official repos.</div><div><br></div><div>Then I needed a newer version with a new feature or bug-fix, and I had to use a PPA. And the feeling of trust and confidence went down a bit.</div><div><br></div><div>But sometimes the PPA version did not have the right option, so I had to install from source or version control. I imagine that I trusted those places too.</div><div><br></div><div>Well, two ways (distribution way and source) is managable.</div><div><br></div><div>Other people thought that universal installs were the bees-knees, but, of course, NIH-syndrome meant that we needed umpteen versions of the same thing. Suddenly, there are 3, 4, 5, who knows how many ways to install stuff, and my brain explodes.</div><div><br></div><div>(Also, in my list, I forgot about perl -- they too have a way to distribute stuff).</div><div><br></div><div>(Forgot about Wine too: some programs are Windows only, but run passably under Wine).</div><div><br></div><div>And look where I am now, and I didn't realise how far I had sunk.</div><div><br></div><div>In my defence</div><div><br></div><div>I do at least think about what I am installing and assess what the risks are. </div><div><br></div><div>I feel fairly confident with programs that install as a normal user (AppImage, Python pip, some source packages, downloaded tar files, Windows under Wine). Of course, there is no knowing what they will end up doing, but I think they will only affect My Stuff, not The Whole Caboodle.</div><div><br></div><div>Sometimes, though, it is cheapest in the short term to take the path of least resistance, download and trust to luck. So far, I think I have been lucky. Then again, how would I tell?</div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps it IS time to do a re-install.</div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps it is time to use a separate laptop for work, where we go down some unpalatable paths suggested by commercial reality or economic pressures.</div><div><br></div><div>Stephen Irons</div><div><br></div></div><div id="m_9173742775585416097geary-quote" dir="auto"><br>On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:41, Volker Kuhlmann <<a href="mailto:list57@top.geek.nz" target="_blank">list57@top.geek.nz</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="white-space:pre-wrap">[...]
Oh dear, sounds just like a Microsoft system... *ducks*
Looks like a lack of discipline with system administration.
Maybe you want to start with fdisk and a freshly downloaded copy of
$FAVDISTRO? That's what I'd do.
Volker
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