<div dir="ltr"><div>I think we can assume there is sufficient O2 being made by LiquidGas etc for the foreseeable future.<br></div><div>Adding electrolysis is an added complication and trying to make enough for hundred of ventilators would be a massive (and I think distracting) challenge. Venting that volume of H2 sounds like trouble...<br></div><div><br></div><div>I had a look around the MIT design. Looks pretty simple. Basically a reduction motor that squeezes an ambu bag(BMV). Do those things have a long lifetime? That design could basically be taken as is and put into low-tech manufacturing. It is based mainly on off the shelf kit (Arduio UNO, motor controller, pots, sensors, reduction motors) and uses a PSU power supply.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I saw another design using pneumatic solenoids to do the switching of gas flow. Probably more durable etc, but less developed than the MIT design.</div><div><br></div><div>There does not just have to be one design, IMHO. Two or three designs would mean that if one design fails there is still another to fall back on, but too many does dilute efforts.</div><div><br></div><div>It seems to me that the basic MIT electronics could be readily adapted to drive air solenoids rather than an ambu bag, allowing an easy fork in the design if that made sense.<br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 3:39 PM Bevin Brett <<a href="mailto:bevin_brett@hotmail.com">bevin_brett@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">As a USA paramedic, (NZ intensive care paramedic equivalent) I can answer some of this</p>
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Most ventilated patients require air with more than 22% O2 because the inner surfaces of the lung are damaged.</li></ol>
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<p class="gmail-m_3615836349500848301MsoListParagraph">The O2 must be mixed in the right proportions with the air being pushed in by the ventilator</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">for an existing design, and at<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">for the requirements. This second (the Agorize challenge) is the Montreal/McGill effort and they will have their open source proposal in a week or two<br>
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I really like the MIT one – I had the same idea myself during a sleepless night - and there is also one team in the Montreal challenge that proposed it also (why I didn’t take my night thoughts further)<br>
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