[chbot] Diligent USB test tools

Mark Atherton markaren1 at xtra.co.nz
Sun Apr 9 08:06:08 BST 2017


Which Salaea do you have Charles ?

-Mark

On 9/04/2017 6:24 PM, Charles Manning wrote:
> I'm with Mike on this.
>
> Nice looking kit, but a real pity it only has 16k buffers.
>
> Being able to stream with the Salaea makes for something quite 
> amazing. I've used it for logging, then analysing many hours of samples.
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Matthew Pike 
> <jumbledthoughts389 at hotmail.com 
> <mailto:jumbledthoughts389 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Seems like my shopping kart link doesn't work (at least not on my
>     smart phone).
>     These are the items I was referring to:
>
>     $442.86    Analog Discovery 2
>     http://www.digikey.co.nz/product-detail/en/digilent-inc/410-321/1286-1117-ND/5810115
>     <http://www.digikey.co.nz/product-detail/en/digilent-inc/410-321/1286-1117-ND/5810115>
>      $23.79    Set of 6 Mini Grabbers
>     http://www.digikey.co.nz/product-detail/en/digilent-inc/240-052/1286-1050-ND/4090099
>     <http://www.digikey.co.nz/product-detail/en/digilent-inc/240-052/1286-1050-ND/4090099>
>      $31.73    BNC Adaptor board
>     http://www.digikey.co.nz/product-detail/en/digilent-inc/410-263/1286-1073-ND/4840860
>     <http://www.digikey.co.nz/product-detail/en/digilent-inc/410-263/1286-1073-ND/4840860>
>      $31.73    2 BNC Oscilloscope Probes
>     http://www.digikey.co.nz/product-detail/en/digilent-inc/460-004/1286-1075-ND/4840870
>     <http://www.digikey.co.nz/product-detail/en/digilent-inc/460-004/1286-1075-ND/4840870>
>     $530.11    (Total)
>
>     I can stand to skip the mini grabbers, and maybe get cheaper BNC
>     probes elsewhere, but I am still looking at ~$500.
>     That's the most I've every considered spending on electronics
>     equipment. Christchurch Robotics may be bad for my wallet :)
>
>
>     Matt Pike
>
>
>     On 8/04/2017 11:09 a.m., Matthew Pike wrote:
>>
>>     Looks good to me - I'm going for the Pro Bundle, as I'd like some
>>     BNC scope probes with it.
>>
>>     Here's a shopping kart at Digi-Key, with the equivalent items.
>>     $530.11. (http://www.digikey.co.nz/short/3w53b8
>>     <http://www.digikey.co.nz/short/3w53b8>)
>>
>>     If you just want the scope, $442.86 from Digi-Key. Much better
>>     than Element 14 or RS-Online
>>
>>
>>     Matt Pike
>>
>>
>>     On 5/04/2017 6:57 a.m., Mike Field wrote:
>>>     If anybody wants to try before they buy I can lend you mine for
>>>     a few days.
>>>
>>>     Pretty much a jack of all trades, master of none - main
>>>     restriction being usable bandwidth and sample buffer sizes are
>>>     limited.
>>>
>>>     For purely digital work a Saleae is 100x better as samples are
>>>     streamed to the PC for analysis and decode.
>>>
>>>     For analogue work a low end Scope with real probes is
>>>     better/usable, and has more bandwidth.
>>>
>>>     Any bench PSU would be a better PSU.
>>>
>>>     But it is integration of all the functions that is awesome, esp
>>>     between the signal generator and the scope inputs (so you can
>>>     test phase and freq response of the system under test).
>>>
>>>     However it does fit in the palm of your hand, making it handy if
>>>     working within its limitations. Much like any Swiss Army
>>>     Knife/Leatherman tool I guess
>>>
>>>     Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -------- Original Message --------
>>>     Subject: [chbot] Diligent USB test tools
>>>     From: Mark Atherton
>>>     To: Christchurch Robotics
>>>     CC:
>>>
>>>
>>>         All,
>>>
>>>         Have just been forwarded this message, and am taking the
>>>         liberty of
>>>         passing it on, since it had been forwarded sever times
>>>         before it reached
>>>         me...
>>>
>>>         Looks like they are $568.84 from element 14, even so, an
>>>         interesting
>>>         piece of kit.
>>>
>>>         -Mark
>>>
>>>         =========================
>>>
>>>         Just received an Analog Discovery 2 unit for $279 -
>>>         http://store.digilentinc.com/analog-discovery-2-100msps-usb-oscilloscope-logic-analyzer-and-variable-power-supply/
>>>         <http://store.digilentinc.com/analog-discovery-2-100msps-usb-oscilloscope-logic-analyzer-and-variable-power-supply/>
>>>
>>>         - Farnell have them for about GBP 220
>>>         http://uk.farnell.com/digilent/410-321/oscilloscope-usb-2-ch-30mhz-100msps/dp/2528523
>>>         <http://uk.farnell.com/digilent/410-321/oscilloscope-usb-2-ch-30mhz-100msps/dp/2528523>
>>>
>>>         .
>>>
>>>         This is an interesting bit of kit - it's a cooperation
>>>         between Analog
>>>         Devices (who do all the signal conditioning and interfacing)
>>>         and Xilinx,
>>>         who do the logic, but put together by Digilent, who sell Xilinx
>>>         development systems... Initially just a reference design,
>>>         i.e. a
>>>         technical paper, they realised that they had something
>>>         pretty neat on
>>>         their hands, so made it a product.
>>>
>>>         The design has turned into a really cool bit of kit at a
>>>         very acceptable
>>>         price - a full design rationale is available as are all the
>>>         schematics
>>>         etc. in the reference manual (also on the Farnell page). Its
>>>         a really
>>>         nice unit... Two programmable supplies, 2 waveform generator
>>>         channels,
>>>         16 logic channels. Lots of analog too. 14-bit A/D/A as well,
>>>         not the
>>>         usual 12-bit...
>>>
>>>         Very few compromises have been made - by using 14-bit DACs
>>>         and ADCs, it
>>>         compares very favorably with far more expensive units. The
>>>         software is
>>>         also extremely stable.
>>>
>>>         As a small unit to keep with the laptop, there's not a lot
>>>         to argue
>>>         about... I keep mine with the laptop at all times. The
>>>         wiring harnesses
>>>         are only $10/each, so I leave those attached to the boards
>>>         I'm working
>>>         on - the WaveForms (free) software has the concept of
>>>         projects which
>>>         contain the configurations of all the devices on the AD2
>>>         that you are
>>>         using for each setup, so switching boards takes literally a
>>>         minute (or
>>>         less).
>>>
>>>         I was using it on the flight from the UK back to the UAE
>>>         last week - I
>>>         had my laptop out, a Texas Instruments MSP-EXP430FR5969
>>>         development
>>>         board and the Analog Discovery - 6 hours of uninterrupted
>>>         development
>>>         time - USB-powered dev environments are wonderful. No
>>>         problems from
>>>         other passengers or the crew - I told the steward in advance
>>>         I was an EE
>>>         and that I'd be working on the 'plane - I also made sure to
>>>         keep any
>>>         blinking LEDs concealed
>>>
>>>         I also have the probe expansion board - just so cute!
>>>
>>>         * Two-channel USB digital oscilloscope (1MΩ, ±25V,
>>>         differential,
>>>         14-bit, 100MS/s, 30MHz+ bandwidth - with the Analog
>>>         Discovery BNC
>>>         Adapter Board
>>>         * Two-channel arbitrary function generator (±5V, 14-bit,
>>>         100MS/s,
>>>         12MHz+ bandwidth - with the Analog Discovery BNC Adapter Board
>>>         * Stereo audio amplifier to drive external headphones or
>>>         speakers
>>>         with replicated AWG signals
>>>         * 16-channel digital logic analyzer (3.3V CMOS and 1.8V or 5V
>>>         tolerant, 100MS/s)
>>>         * 16-channel pattern generator (3.3V CMOS, 100MS/s)
>>>         * 16-channel virtual digital I/O including buttons,
>>>         switches, and
>>>         LEDs – perfect for logic training applications
>>>         * Two input/output digital trigger signals for linking multiple
>>>         instruments (3.3V CMOS)
>>>         * Single channel voltmeter (AC, DC, ±25V)
>>>         * Network analyzer – Bode, Nyquist, Nichols transfer
>>>         diagrams of a
>>>         circuit. Range: 1Hz to 10MHz
>>>         * Spectrum Analyzer – power spectrum and spectral
>>>         measurements (noise
>>>         floor, SFDR, SNR, THD, etc.)
>>>         * Digital Bus Analyzers (SPI, I²C, UART, Parallel)
>>>         * Two programmable power supplies (0…+5V , 0…-5V). The maximum
>>>         available output current and power depend on the Analog
>>>         Discovery 2
>>>         powering choice:
>>>
>>>         ...250mW max for each supply or 500mW total when powered
>>>         through USB
>>>
>>>         ...2.1W max for each supply when powered by an auxiliary
>>>         supply. 700mA
>>>         maximum current for each supply.
>>>
>>>         As of March 17th, they have also released a fully-fledged
>>>         logic analyser
>>>         version, the Digital Discovery for $199 -
>>>         http://store.digilentinc.com/digital-discovery-portable-logic-analyzer-and-digital-pattern-generator/
>>>         <http://store.digilentinc.com/digital-discovery-portable-logic-analyzer-and-digital-pattern-generator/>
>>>
>>>         .
>>>         This is an up to 800MHz multi-channel logic analyser &
>>>         pattern generator
>>>         for peanuts.
>>>
>>>
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