[chbot] Cruising aliexpress again!!

[Richard Jones]

We really should give this thread an appropriate subject.

I quite like Eclipse with CDT, AVR and XML extensions. It integrates just
fine with your own makefiles, and is really neat for re-factoring and I
find the tooltips useful. I don't think I have discovered anything in
eclipse that does not exist in another tool somewhere. I have not bothered
yet to find out if there are extensions around for the ESP8266.

I tend to use Eclipse when it is a good tool for the job. I will just as
happily fire up meld for file comparison if I don't have eclipse open, it
starts quicker. But then I also use vi on smallish targets. I remember when
vi was a huge improvement on typing code at the hex keypad.

Richard

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Volker Kuhlmann <list0570 at paradise.net.nz>
wrote:

> On Fri 25 Sep 2015 11:41:23 NZST +1200, Stephen Irons wrote:
>
> > They don't seem to have build any timebomb into gcc. I did not use their
> > (Eclipse-based) tool -- that is most likely where they put the evaluation
> > timebomb.
>
> The companys' added value is not in the gcc toolchain, which is GPL and
> can not really be used to generate profit. The same holds for eclipse,
> although its license I think allows closed-source derivatives.
>
> What you get for your money is some extensions for eclipse which are
> tailored specifically to the target architecture, e.g. memory and
> register inspections that are fully decoded to the labels and names used
> by their manufacturer, i.e. you get the same names as shown in the
> datasheet instead of having to hunt for bit wtf-what-was-it-again at
> some flipping address. Big time saving when dealing with peripherals.
> You also get proper hardware debugging, integrated with above decoding.
> Add a high-speed target interface for both programming and debugging,
> and perhaps a few more tricks. All this within an IDE allowing good code
> navigation and compiler integration (gcc errors highlighted in source
> code).
>
> The approach with makefiles and a plain text editor lacks all the above
> tools - which are not just optical sugar!
>
> I have used the AVR plugin with eclipse 2.7 for programming arduinos,
> with arduino environment. It took a while to set it all up but I did get
> it going. It's a PITA because the plugin is way too buggy, and not
> properly if at all maintained. Still no debugging. I then went to
> makefiles too, and it's not mutually exclusive with eclipse.
>
> People don't like eclipse. No wonder, usable target arch adaptations are
> only available for big money.
>
> The free version eclipse tool from NXP for their mbed stuff had no time
> bomb but a restriction in code size. It was implemented in the
> programmer/debugger driver .so files.
>
> Volker
>
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