[chbot] Is "Stacker" game of skill, of chance, or is it rigged?

[Paul Davey]

Given this video I will say that unless there is additional complexity to
how the block moves when on higher difficulties then the last line is
rigged.

However the presence of the payout rates in the owners manual do not by
themselves mean this is so.


On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Spencer Travers
<spencer.travers at gmail.com>wrote:

> I remember a good video on this machine. Look at 3:40
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofEb9fM8m0Q
>
> Spencer
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Paul Davey <plmdvy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The Manual explicitly names it a game of skill and under the sections for
>> skill settings explicitly notes that as it is a skill game the winning
>> ratios are approximate not fixed.
>>
>> Asserting that because they gave approximations it must be rigged is
>> flawed because such approximations can be derived by considering a
>> statistical model of the player and analyzing the game.
>>
>> I would say that the game is a game of skill but is still basically a
>> psychological trap and a game which has an exponential skill requirement
>> curve.
>>
>> Unless anyone wants to get a cabinet and do reverse engineering to prove
>> otherwise I would say that the game is one of skill, but designed in such a
>> way that it is unlikely that you would win the big prizes.
>>
>> Also to Mike's comment about an automatic player, such a device would be
>> rather conspicuous and if they found you using it would likely result in
>> being banned from the game, in addition if all of the major prizes
>> disappeared in one go or even very quickly they would likely just move or
>> retire the cabinet since it would no longer be profitable.  Not to mention
>> that if you were caught on camera doing this it would likely still result
>> in at least banning from the store.
>>
>> Not to mention that any such device would likely still have a chance of
>> failure on higher settings due to delays and need to use prediction.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Atherton <markaren1 at xtra.co.nz>wrote:
>>
>>> any chance the limit be moved to 100k, I have had some stuff lost like
>>> this
>>>
>>> -mark
>>>
>>>
>>> At 01:47 p.m. 4/06/2013, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone following the headers on this topic may wonder where Michaels
>>>> email had been sitting for a couple of days!
>>>> It fell foul of Mailmans 40k posting limit and so got parked for an
>>>> admin type to approve. So the message waited until I was within internet
>>>> range and I located my round to_it.
>>>>
>>>> Apologies for the delay
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Spencer Travers <<mailto:
>>>> spencer.travers@**gmail.com <spencer.travers at gmail.com>>
>>>> spencer.travers@**gmail.com <spencer.travers at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> The Stacker manual is here:
>>>> <http://web.archive.org/web/**20060509142318/http://www.**
>>>> shafferdistributing.com/**manuals/lai_Stacker_SKILL_1st-**Ed_manual.pdf<http://web.archive.org/web/20060509142318/http://www.shafferdistributing.com/manuals/lai_Stacker_SKILL_1st-Ed_manual.pdf>
>>>> >http://web.**archive.org/web/**20060509142318/http://www.**
>>>> shafferdistributing.com/**manuals/lai_Stacker_SKILL_1st-**Ed_manual.pdf<http://web.archive.org/web/20060509142318/http://www.shafferdistributing.com/manuals/lai_Stacker_SKILL_1st-Ed_manual.pdf>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The 'skill setting' determines the approximate win ratio. How can this
>>>> ratio be relied on if the machine is not rigged?
>>>>
>>>> Spencer
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